From: dgonter@spiff.net (David Gonterman)
Subject: DO I want to have everyone mad at me?
Date: 1997/08/13
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I keep hearing about this and my atitude so far.  I guess almost
everyone is getting mad at me bacause I admit that I'm pretty much
angry at Sonic Fandom.  As a whole.

Yes, it started with the Endgame Fiasco.  Ask anyone who was in
Private Room Knothole the day that #47 came out.  It was *not* pretty.

I believed that the comic was irrevociably ruined forever and left
Sonic Fandom for four long months.  I didn't even discuss it, not even
in FanFict mode.  I didn't even see a girlfriend who was in there, and
she broke up with me over it.  There's possibily no true estimate in
how many people I hurt over this.

But as I said before, I didn't care. Mainly because I thought they
they didn't gave a damn for me at that time, this goes triple for
anyone who worked for Archie, and 10 Times for Ken Penders. To let you
know, the reason why I got into Sonic Fandom in the first place, is
that I wanted to contribute, I wanted to add what I can add to the
Sonic Universe, and feel that I mattered to the Fanship.  What I
believed that, by having Sally 'die' that, the people I tried to
impress, from Ken Penders down to the Web Page visitors all said in
one voice, "NO!  David Gonterman.  You do not matter David
Gonterman!!"

*That* is why I was so pissed off at the world.  It was also why, when
Sally was revived and everything came back to some kind of normal, I
felt left behind in some ruins of the former world, not wanted back
into Sonic Fandom even if I wanted to, because "Why should I come back
if I'm not wanted?" which was the reason why I put up a petition.

But even when I decided to return with my new FanComic, and maybe even
picking up the Sonic Archive after Ratman, I still feel pissed off at
what happened.  You probably noticed it by now.  I think I've become
this newsgroup's answer to the Black & White Sting, making his mark in
the worst way, and not caring one iota for anybody and anything else,
not even when Sega sues my tail off.

I'd just won't care.
David Gonterman---------DGonterman@aol.com-----------------

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From: fxferret@aol.com (FX Ferret)
Subject: Re: DO I want to have everyone mad at me?
Date: 1997/08/14
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>*That* is why I was so pissed off at the world.

You know why I'm POed at you? Ever since then, you've acted like Mr. Big,
and like you were the greatest Sonic Fan in all the world. Heck, if
Comix25 didn't exist, you'd be one of the lamest people on the net. You're
writing is okay, but you have no reason to brag to superiors about how
much better you are. Gen's little parody of you, with the exception of the
bad spelling and grammar, was pretty close to the real thing. If saying "I
rule and you suck" and "my art and writing kicks everyone's butt" is your
method of advertising, you'd need to be reatarded to wonder why so many
people are pissed at you.

FX




From: dgonter@spiff.net (David Gonterman)
Subject: Re: DO I want to have everyone mad at me?
Date: 1997/08/16
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On 14 Aug 1997 22:41:47 GMT, fxferret@aol.com (FX Ferret) wrote:

>
>You know why I'm POed at you? Ever since then, you've acted like Mr. Big,
>and like you were the greatest Sonic Fan in all the world. Heck, if
>Comix25 didn't exist, you'd be one of the lamest people on the net. You're
>writing is okay, but you have no reason to brag to superiors about how
>much better you are. Gen's little parody of you, with the exception of the
>bad spelling and grammar, was pretty close to the real thing. If saying "I
>rule and you suck" and "my art and writing kicks everyone's butt" is your
>method of advertising, you'd need to be reatarded to wonder why so many
>people are pissed at you.


Two corrections:

One, I'm Sonic's WORST Fan.  Ask anyone from Archie.

Two, I don't want to kick everyone's butt.  Only Archie.

And three, I don't wonder why so many people are pissed off at me.  I
*expect* people to be pissed off at me.  It's the one thing I did well
as a kid:  Pissing People Off.  It doesn't have to do with anything
deliberate from me.  I just go through my day and by something I have
no control over, I piss someone off, and I catch holy hell.  So, I
might as well get the people who would be pissed off at me already
pissed off, so I can get that out of my way and get on with my life.

David Gonterman---------DGonterman@aol.com-----------------

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From: fxferret@aol.com (FX Ferret)
Subject: Re: DO I want to have everyone mad at me?
Date: 1997/08/17
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Here's the big summary! Davey, most of the peope on this newsgroup hate
you, and you should know why by now. If you don't, well......




From: Drew A Rhine <foxstar0k0@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: DO I want to have everyone mad at me?
Date: 1997/08/15
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Alessandro Sanasi wrote:

> On 13 Aug 97, dgonter@spiff.net (David Gonterman) wrote in
> alt.fan.sonic-hedgehog:
>
> > To let you
> > know, the reason why I got into Sonic Fandom in the first place, is
> > that I wanted to contribute, I wanted to add what I can add to the
> > Sonic Universe, and feel that I mattered to the Fanship.  What I
> > believed that, by having Sally 'die' that, the people I tried to
> > impress, from Ken Penders down to the Web Page visitors all said in
> > one voice, "NO!  David Gonterman.  You do not matter David
> > Gonterman!!"
>
> Um, sorry again having to mention this, but all you contributed to the
>
> Sonic fandom so far were stories with out-of-character behavior,
> out-of-
> place violence and totally unfitting plots.  Do you for example
> remember
> Bunnie making sexy comments about Davey and his breast hairs in the
> first
> BAM story arc, or Sonic depicted as a heavy drinker with serious
> psychological problems in BAM 3D, or the gory and bloody fighting and
> killing, or all the weird crossovers, guest characters, and
> SatAM/AoStH/
> Anime/Disney mixups?
>
> And now *YOU* feel pissed off about what Archie and Ken Penders did to
>
> Sonic Fandom??
>
> > But even when I decided to return with my new FanComic, and maybe
> even
> > picking up the Sonic Archive after Ratman, I still feel pissed off
> at
> > what happened.  You probably noticed it by now.  I think I've become
>
> > this newsgroup's answer to the Black & White Sting, making his mark
> in
> > the worst way, and not caring one iota for anybody and anything
> else,
> > not even when Sega sues my tail off.
>
> Your fan comics are _extremely_ well done for an amateur, with fairly
> good
> artwork.  But alas, IMHO the *stories* are still at the old level, as
> described above.
>
> Did you ever try to write a story that would actually *fit* into the
> Sonic
> Universe known from the comic and cartoon, without all your
> self-invented
> characters, not officially existent father-son (Davey-Robotnik)
> relationships and mixed-universe continuities?  Just *once* do a comic
>
> like this, and I guarantee that you will get more fan-mail and
> compliments
> than you can count!
>
> Bye
>
> Alessandro
> ---
> You get what anyone gets. You get a lifetime.

   I'm s0rry t0 dis agree with y0u but he's has N0T c0ntributed st0ries
with characters acting 0ut 0f character.  If he's guilty 0f that then
we're all guilty 0f it!  But 0f all fan fic auth0rs I say Davey's the
best.  He makes the characters seem m0re Real by writng his way than in
any0ther style.  I became a fan 0f S0nic fr0m Issue 1 (and I mean the
first issue released), was drawn deeper when the Saturday M0rning
cart00n came 0n and when I th0ught I c0uldn't get anty deep BL00D &
METAL pulled me t0 write my first fan fic.
    I j0ined S0nic fand0m c0mpletely because 0f Davey.  And I c0unt him
as 0ne 0f my 0nline friends.  I d0n't care if I put everyb0dy 0ut 0f
j0int but I feel EN0UGH IS EN0UGH!

Davey is a g00d writer
defenatly a g00d artist
he has made an 0riginal c0mic
    (I admit like his ant0ine better than Archie's.  At least that
versi0n bel0ngs m0re in a fight f0r freed0m than the 0ther)
and he deserves better than what he g0t t0 date.

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<HTML>
Alessandro Sanasi wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>On 13 Aug 97, dgonter@spiff.net (David Gonterman)
wrote in alt.fan.sonic-hedgehog:

<P>> To let you
<BR>> know, the reason why I got into Sonic Fandom in the first place,
is
<BR>> that I wanted to contribute, I wanted to add what I can add to the
<BR>> Sonic Universe, and feel that I mattered to the Fanship.&nbsp; What
I
<BR>> believed that, by having Sally 'die' that, the people I tried to
<BR>> impress, from Ken Penders down to the Web Page visitors all said
in
<BR>> one voice, "NO!&nbsp; David Gonterman.&nbsp; You do not matter David
<BR>> Gonterman!!"

<P>Um, sorry again having to mention this, but all you contributed to the
<BR>Sonic fandom so far were stories with out-of-character behavior, out-of-
<BR>place violence and totally unfitting plots.&nbsp; Do you for example
remember
<BR>Bunnie making sexy comments about Davey and his breast hairs in the
first
<BR>BAM story arc, or Sonic depicted as a heavy drinker with serious
<BR>psychological problems in BAM 3D, or the gory and bloody fighting and
<BR>killing, or all the weird crossovers, guest characters, and SatAM/AoStH/
<BR>Anime/Disney mixups?

<P>And now *YOU* feel pissed off about what Archie and Ken Penders did
to
<BR>Sonic Fandom??

<P>> But even when I decided to return with my new FanComic, and maybe
even
<BR>> picking up the Sonic Archive after Ratman, I still feel pissed off
at
<BR>> what happened.&nbsp; You probably noticed it by now.&nbsp; I think
I've become
<BR>> this newsgroup's answer to the Black &amp; White Sting, making his
mark in
<BR>> the worst way, and not caring one iota for anybody and anything else,
<BR>> not even when Sega sues my tail off.

<P>Your fan comics are _extremely_ well done for an amateur, with fairly
good
<BR>artwork.&nbsp; But alas, IMHO the *stories* are still at the old level,
as
<BR>described above.

<P>Did you ever try to write a story that would actually *fit* into the
Sonic
<BR>Universe known from the comic and cartoon, without all your self-invented
<BR>characters, not officially existent father-son (Davey-Robotnik)
<BR>relationships and mixed-universe continuities?&nbsp; Just *once* do
a comic
<BR>like this, and I guarantee that you will get more fan-mail and compliments
<BR>than you can count!

<P>Bye

<P>Alessandro
<BR>---
<BR>You get what anyone gets. You get a lifetime.</BLOCKQUOTE>
&nbsp;&nbsp; I'm s0rry t0 dis agree with y0u but he's has N0T c0ntributed
st0ries with characters acting 0ut 0f character.&nbsp; If he's guilty 0f
that then<B><I><U> we're all guilty 0f it</U></I></B>!&nbsp; But 0f all
fan fic auth0rs I say Davey's the best.&nbsp; He makes the characters seem
m0re <B><I><U>Real</U></I></B> by writng his way than in any0ther style.&nbsp;
I became a fan 0f S0nic fr0m Issue 1 (and I mean the <B><I><U>first</U></I></B>
issue released), was drawn deeper when the Saturday M0rning cart00n came
0n and when I th0ught I c0uldn't get anty deep BL00D &amp; METAL pulled
me t0 write my first fan fic.
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I j0ined S0nic fand0m c0mpletely because 0f Davey.&nbsp;
And I c0unt him as 0ne 0f my 0nline friends.&nbsp; I d0n't care if I put
everyb0dy 0ut 0f j0int but I feel EN0UGH IS EN0UGH!

<P>Davey is a g00d writer
<BR>defenatly a g00d artist
<BR>he has made an 0riginal c0mic
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (<B><I><U>I admit like his ant0ine better than Archie's.</U></I></B>&nbsp;
At least that versi0n bel0ngs m0re in a fight f0r freed0m than the 0ther)
<BR>and he deserves better than what he g0t t0 date.</HTML>

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